Posted by: Taylor | January 22, 2007

Abortion Good! Spanking Bad!

No SpankingThis past week Democrat Sally Lieber of San Francisco, a member of the state legislature, proposed a bill which would make it a misdemeanor to spank a child 3 years old or younger.  If passed, it would carry the possible penalty of a $1000 fine or even jail time.  Lieber plans to introduce the bill as early as this week. 

Read the article.

The bill would ban “any striking of a child” 3 or younger.  This would mean no popping a child’s hand, wrist, arm, or leg even in the most innocent of ways.  This would mean parents would be put in the position of disciplining their children by removing temptations or redirecting their child’s interest.  These are acceptable and effective, but they are incomplete by themselves.

Children need to learn boundaries.  Removing temptation or redirecting a child’s interest can be helpful, but it does not teach a toddler boundaries.  A small amount of temporary pain is not a bad thing.  We all have learned good lessons from experiencing something unpleasant, mainly, “I won’t do that again.”

Child AbuseI understand the intent of Mrs. Lieber.  She hopes to decrease the likelihood of child abuse.  This is a noble desire.  Child abuse is aweful, and I hope no child ever is abused.  But, outlawing spankings is not the answer.  In fact, I would argue that not spanking is more cruel than spanking, if done in a proper way.  (I define a proper way of spanking a child as – a means of discipline with the intent to correct an undesireable behavior, done with full control, without anger or the desire to truly harm.)

My greatest concern and objection to this bill is that under the guise of protecting children it really is an attack against parents.  Parents are losing more rights day-by-day.  Many parents that I know are afraid to discipline their children in public fearing that someone will mistake discipline as abuse.  Lets face it, parents have a reason to be parnoid.  And this new bill in California gives parents even greater reason for concern.

What punishments will be outlawed next?  Yelling?  Restrictions?  They could be considered emotional abuse.  These are logical outcomes of the government intrusion in the private affairs of private citizens.  I know abuse is a serious issue, but government involvement in the disciplining of children is an invasion of privacy and an infringement upon parental responsibility.

Finally, it is odd that bills like this have such a strong chance of passing into law.  Abortion, which is the most heinous type of child abuse, murder, is met with enormous opposition whenever a bill is proposed which might hinder a woman’s ability to have one.  If legislators were truly concerned about child abuse, then why does this same concern not carry over to the deaths of innocent children, and to the exploitation of them.

Since abortion is a hot political issue, many are willing to exploit young girls who are vulnerable to ensure that abortions remains legal.  These young women are pressured to have abortions by adults twice or three times their age (coercion), and encouraged to have an abortion and to go through with the process without parental involvement or consent.  And yet legislators have no problem with these types of abuses.

The bottom line is our government is attempting to take away our freedoms.  Namely, the freedom to raise and discipline our children in a manner we see fit.  And, once again, the government thinking it knows what is best for us, misses the bigger issue of child abuse.  Abortion is murder, spanking carried out in love is discipline, and the first not the latter is abuse.

Copyright © January 2007 by Taylor W. Kendrick

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  1. I got disciplined as a child (which at times included a spanking) it didn’t hurt me none, in fact it shaped me into a better person. I can see the other side of trying to cut back on child abuse (because that is a terrible injustice to the child). If parents love their children (as Christ loved us) and spend quality time with them these problems would go by the wayside.
    I guess I can just praise God for a Godly Mother, and Father!
    mike

    • Ya weren’t beaten with a bat or belt enough to leave marks on your body were ya? How many marks ya got???
      That’s why ya don’t mind punishment. Look on google at some of the “child abuse” pics. Which one were you????

  2. The government has no right to set rules on how to discipline our children and allowing child protective services to treat suspected cases, that have been reported by an “anybody”, as abuse and subject children to being scared and possible taken from their parents. I think we can say that children from say the 90’s on have been spanked less – and there is WAY more teen violence! I think that they should look into other issues that cause anxiety, depression, and violence such as POVERTY, DRUGS AND ALCOHOL, and the fact that there is so much homelessness and poverty as the rich get richer(they even get richer from the poor) and the poor get poorer when it is hard to find affordable housing, impossible for low income families to buy a low cost home, outragous car insurance and food prices – no wonder parents are so depressed – children who are poor would be more depressed, into drugs and violence, crime, etc. What is wrong with this country? SPANKINGS is not the cause of this countries social problems – greed is and the United States Government is an accomplace!

  3. i got spanked bare bottom as a child and now i have learned to behave. I behaved becuase of the stinging pain and the face of having public humiliation (i got spanked at my sleepover once bare bottom).

  4. this is like outlawing guns. will outlawing guns make criminals stop using them? will outlawing spanking make abusers stop abusing their kids?

    no.

  5. Not one of ya posting were beaten with a bat or belt enough to leave marks on your body did ya? How many marks ya got???
    That’s why ya don’t mind punishment. Look on google at some of the “child abuse” pics. Which one were you????
    Who’s to decide how much and what type punishment a chid gets?

    • owlvee,

      Thank you for commenting on this post, but I think that you have missed the overarching points of the post. One, punishing a child is not child abuse. Taken too far, yes, is abuse, but it is not the governments job to tell parents how to raise their children. Two, abortion is the ultimate form of child abuse and the government does sanction this horrendous form of abuse. Child abuse is horrible. It should never happen, but normal punishment, which serves to deter a child from bad behavior is showing love not hate. True child abuse is not loving it is abuse and should be punished itself, but the government should not outlaw spanking a child as a form of punishment. What two or three year old or older can understand a philosophical argument of why they should or should not engage in a certain behavior? But everyone will agree, a three can understand that a small amount of pain each time they engage in a particular activity is bad idea. Finally, again, in this case the government is outlawing a well accepted form of punishment, but it condones murder which is the highest form of abuse known.

  6. Look .. … WHY is there a law to NOT HIT an adult, or an animal but … oh wow … hitting a defenceless child is oh so sensible, kind, helpful, right ??? Discipline means to teach – and you can do that with loving gentleness not with hitting!

    I am 56 and never spanked my children – and they are now wonderful, loving gentle adults.

    Spanking is a form of violence against a child, a little one – physical, emotional and for some older children even sexual. OH I KNOW you don’t mean it to be – but if you take down a child’s panties – THEY are the ones who know if they feel violated, either at the time … or later as adults.

    If you think spanking is SO right for a tiny child – let’s just see how much it can help YOU as an adult ! Hmm… you are late paying a bill! Or … you have overspent on your credit card! Or … run a red! Or … failed to take the bin out for your spouse! Or burned dinner! Oh the list is ENDLESS !!!! Now … there is a Central Spank Police and one officer is directed to your house – he is around 10 feet tall, and either uses his huge hands, or a paddle the size of a giant dinner plate to spank your poor little bare bottom ! Hmm.. he is also proportionatly strong so you get a real feel for this! Now … do you feel you might learn anything from this ?? No ?? Feel violated? Fear?? Anger?? Hate ??? Alienated???

  7. TealRose,

    Thank you for your comments. After reviewing your comments and this article again, I can see that you did not thoughtfully read my article. Your response is one based totally upon emotion and not logic. This article is mostly about government intrusion into the private lives of Americans.

    It is not the government’s right to tell parents how to raise and disciple their children. Your comments are emotionally charged and do nothing for true conversation. The scenarios you have created are ridiculous.

    The proposed law was so invasive as to say that “no physical” correction could be administered. No mention in my article deals with bare bottoms. Let’s focus on the real issue. It is the parent’s rights which are being violated. The government cannot take care of itself let allow all of us, but that is exactly what they want to do.

    Further, you neglected to even mention the true abusive situation, abortion. If ever there was child abuse, abortion is the worst of the worst. No one wins with abortion. The pregnant teenager is often manipulated by someone 2 – 3 times older than herself, not to mention someone who has a vested interest in getting her to have an abortion. The baby is murdered, the worst of all abuses. And finally, society is robbed of our innocence, life, and hopes that that new life would have brought.

    The point of my article was not to hold up spanking as the only means of disciple. In fact, I even said that it was one of several options, but that it still needed to be available, if necessary. The two fold point of my article was to demonstrate how our government was overreaching in their desire to control every aspect of our lives, and how our government was not truly concerned with child abuse but instead more concerned with controlling us. If the government was truly concerned for “the children,” then they would make serious efforts to outlaw the worst of all child abuses, namely the coercion of children to have abortions and abortion itself.

    Again thank you for commenting. I would encourage you to reread my article, and then take a moment to reflect upon it. Then after your emotions have calmed maybe you will be able to approach this subject with some objectivity.

    One of the greatest difficulties our society needs to overcome is this reactionary approach to everything. We must learn to think again, and stop reacting with all emotion and no thought. This kneejerk response never helps an already volatile climate. I do appreciate your willingness to comment. That is good, but we must do better. How can we have civil discourse if we cannot even be civil to one another?

    God’s peace be with you!
    Taylor

  8. Taylor – I am sorry if you feel I am reacting from emotion and not logic. I am sorry if you feel that I missed out commenting on abortion. I believe it is wrong. But also, even if I couldn’t have had an abortion myself when I was raped as a teen, I do have enough love to understand those that do choose it. Lover the sinner hate the sin.

    Why is it not the governments right to tell us how to raise a child? I am sorry but the government in any country has the right to tell us how to run our lives, and how to look after each other. It does not allow my husband to spank me if he is upset, if I have not achieved a good pass in my studies, if I have told him that I think he is a fool etc … Which is why I do not understand how we cannot hit another adult or animal, even if they do need to ‘learn’ something, but we can hit a child. I don’t care whether bare bottomed or not – it is just not right.

    One thing I did learn from my mother was ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’.

    I find that the ‘kneejerk’ reaction to hit a child is the thing that worries me greatly.

    God bless and peace to you too!

  9. TealRose,

    Again, thank you for your thoughtful comments. Our government and truly all governments are to ensure liberty, freedom, and protection from enemies both foreign and domestic. In regards to its own citizenry, our government at its founding sought to protect personal liberties (i.e. – The Bill of Rights). Personal liberty does not stop because one person believes they know better than another.

    I am addressing this issue from the perspective of what our government has been constituted to do. As our current president got it so wrong in stating, “generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.”

    The Bill of Rights are negative liberties? Our Constitution was drafted to guard and protect our liberties. Personal liberty is the hallmark of our society and our country. Anytime our government believes it knows better than us, and that it is their duty to “parent” us, we as a free republic should say “no.”

    How would you like for someone to tell you how to eat, or tell your children what they should eat? You would not like it. But, they would say, “It’s for your good. That food will hurt you.” We are a free people, and we should have the right to chose how to live, what to eat, and how to parent. And oh, by the way, recently the government has been telling us and our kids what we are and aren’t allowed to eat. Just look into San Francisco’s new laws regarding McDonald’s and Happy Meals, or do a search on Michelle Obama’s new law regarding school lunches.

    Are any of these things bad? No, but since when was it our government’s right to legislate how we are to live our lives. This goes to the core of the lawsuits filed against government healthcare. A judge today in Pensacola, Florida, said that it was illegal/unconstitutional for our government to require any American to purchase health insurance. I’m sure this issue is not over yet, but the reality is this government was never established with the intent to control its populace.

    Now, allow me to address the issue of spanking specifically. In your response to me, you have repeatedly used the word “hit,” instead of “spank.” Although I know that you intend for these words to mean the same, they do not. Spank, always depicts the idea of striking with the intent to punish. While hitting, implies an intention to harm or to inflict violence.

    Punishment should never have the intention to harm but to help. Punishment has the desire to correct bad behavior. I still believe that your examples of reasons for “hitting” another for the means of punishment are in fact exaggerations. The need for spanking is never the first means of punishment. In fact, most times it is not the second or third option either. Spanking, as I have stated previously, is one of several options available to help develop a child.

    My children are close to preteen years. They have out grown the need for spanking. Even as young children, physical punishment was always a last step in the disciplining process. Most times, a simple tap on their wrists or a gentle reminder on the back on their legs would do the trick. When I say “tap” and “gentle reminder,” I mean what I say. No marks were left, no anger was expressed, and no abuse took place.

    Spanking as a means of punishment gives a physical reminder that bad behavior is unacceptable. A small child is unable to understand the logic of a reasoned argument of why their behavior is wrong, but they can understand, “The last time I did that my hand hurt. Maybe I should not do that again.” Spanking is not a tool to be used for a lifetime, more like a season.

    I do understand and appreciate your heart. Spanking seems cruel to some, but a little discomfort for a period reaps a large reward. I am a Christian. Therefore, my thinking is shaped by God’s Word the Bible. Often times, our thinking about life becomes confused and turned backwards. In fact, God’s word explicitly states that God’s wisdom is foolishness to man. Read the scripture in context below.

    2 Corinthians 1:18-25

    18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” 20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.

    My point in this is simple. Often in our wisdom, we are wrong. Even if we try our best, with the best of intentions, we are still wrong. Intentions don’t matter. The great thing about God is that He gives us a standard to measure right and wrong. We are not the measuring rod. God is.

    TealRose, thank you again for dialoguing with me regarding these issues. I know that we do not agree and that’s okay. That is another great thing about our country. I am sorry to hear about the abuse that you suffered. Violence against children should always be punished and fought against. I sincerely appreciate your thoughts and wish you and your family the best.

    Blessings,
    Taylor


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